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		<title>America&#8217;s Data Center Top 40 for QoS Implementations</title>
		<link>http://www.douglasgourlay.com/blog/2009/08/americas-data-center-top-40-for-qos-implementations/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Gourlay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you really use network quality of service within the glass house data center?  This is a question I have been pondering pretty much all day- I get that on the costly WAN links we almost all use it.  I also completely acknowledge that most engineers plan to use some of the QoS features within [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_107" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-107" title="qosdiagram" src="http://www.douglasgourlay.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/qosdiagram1-300x198.gif" alt="a rainbow of fruit flavors for the network" width="300" height="198" /><p class="wp-caption-text">a rainbow of fruit flavors for the network</p></div>
<p>Do you really use network quality of service within the glass house data center?  This is a question I have been pondering pretty much all day- I get that on the costly WAN links we almost all use it.  I also completely acknowledge that most engineers plan to use some of the QoS features within the data center, but what do we really use?  Which features are necessary and which are just... well...  extraneous?</p>
<p>Here's my thought-   I think there are some  QoS 'hit songs' implemented in the data center, and some that just are not that appropriate for this iMix.</p>
<p><strong>Bad Boy Bad Boy, whatcha gonna queue....</strong><br />
No matter how many security products we surround ourselves with we all have the 'time out queue' for traffic that just isn't, well, <em>good</em>.  It's for those pesky control plane DoS attacks, the misbehaving broadcast storm NIC, or that one application that just won't shut up.</p>
<p><strong>Voices Carry</strong><br />
For some reason I have the 80's Til Tuesday song in my head by the same name- but most engineers I have talked with seem to set up, by default, a strict priority queue for voice traffic, then never,ever touch it again because it just works.<br />
<strong><br />
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch</strong><br />
We all use markers, especially at the edge where we can have maximum visibility to what comes from a single host, and mark it up appropriately so that we don't have to continuously re-inspect and re-apply policy everywhere.  Tag at the edge, queue in the core, shape on the WAN or point of massive congestion/cost.<br />
<strong><br />
(Don't) Drop it like it's Hot</strong><br />
No matter what religious SCSI encapsulation you love- FibreChannel, FibreChannel over Ethernet, iSCSI or even file based alternatives such as NFS or CIFS storage just performs better when is is not dropped.  As much as I love technologies like <a href="http://www.asperasoft.com/">Aspera</a> for moving large files from A-to-B, until it is integrated in my host stack (which would monumentally rock for copying my iTunes library to S3 btw, hint...) the world will be dependent on TCP-guaranteed or PFC/BCN guaranteed storage delivery for a while - so we need a "lossless don't-drop-me-please" queue.</p>
<p><strong>Shape ya Tailfeather</strong><br />
As we hit congestion and contention for bandwidth in a well designed data center this happens at the cost-center link, i.e. the edge router: this is where I apply large buffers, shapers, and policers to ensure that traffic can en-queue long enough to get onto the link, we can also adhere to <a href="http://www.stupi.se/">Peter Lothberg's</a> long-time rule of providing enough buffer to handle a round-trip-response of around the world or ~300ms.  Shaping the previously marked-up traffic onto the link while trying to get all the right traffic on the link is the job of the core routers, usually not fixed switches.</p>
<p>That's it for now, any songs I should also think about including into the Data Center QoS Playlist?</p>
<p>dg</p>
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		<title>HP versus Cisco: to tag VM&#8217;s or not to tag VM&#8217;s</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Gourlay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently there has been some eloquent flaming back and forth between Cisco and HP over the VN-Tag, of course I have an opinion and figured I would vocalize it.  Scott Lowe has a good piece on this as well, focused more broadly on the implications to the unified computing system. First off, I do not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_93" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 305px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-93" title="vmware_infrastructure" src="http://www.douglasgourlay.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/vmware_infrastructure-295x300.png" alt="Tag, you're it! " width="295" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Tag, you&#39;re it! </p></div>
<p>Recently there has been some eloquent flaming back and forth between <a href="http://blogs.cisco,com/datacenter">Cisco</a> and <a href="http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/us/en/messaging/realstory-cisco-datacenter-view.html">HP</a> over the <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/solutions/collateral/ns340/ns517/ns224/ns892/ns894/white_paper_c11-525307_ps9902_Products_White_Paper.html">VN-Tag</a>, of course I have an opinion and figured I would vocalize it.  <a href="http://blog.scottlowe.org/2009/03/16/more-on-cisco-ucs/">Scott Lowe</a> has a good piece on this as well, focused more broadly on the implications to the unified computing system.</p>
<p>First off, I do not think there is a lot of innovation that comes directly out of the standards bodies.  However, i firmly believe that in today's mature networking market in order for a technology to get a decent traction and following it must at least be inserted into the standards process and be on a trajectory towards being multi-vendor and open/interoperable.</p>
<p>Secondly, I believe that innovation should be rewarded.  "To the innovator go the spoils" I say.  Innovation is risky, there should be a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.  I am not-so-subtly reminded of a conversation with about 20 customers I led a few months back.  I was getting a lot of pressure from a university customer to stop any development on anything that was not an industry standard- the gentleman from a large manufacturing company interrupted him and said, "I don't care what standard they support, as long as they solve business problems for me I will vote with my wallet. My CIO doesn't care if its PAGP or LACP, he cares that the network runs."</p>
<p>Lastly, and somewhat controversially, I think there are enough tagging formats out there already, and worse: most of them have no interoperability plan or architectural tie-in with each other.</p>
<p>Let's look at VN-Tag with these three lenses now....</p>
<p>1) VN-Tag was jointly developed by Cisco and VMWare to address a problem their customers were having: they could not bind a policy to a VM and have that policy move with the VM in a DRS or VMotion environment.  They also felt that traffic could go from one VM to another, bypassing any network policy for governance or regulatory compliance and thus have a tail-end/hop-off type of attack possibility for VMs on the same physical host.</p>
<p>2) It was submitted to the IEEE, but is not a standard yet, thus to be binary it is 'proprietary' although it seems the companies are not holding onto the IP specifically, they just want to execute on a time-to-market advantage.  (this is no worse and the ongoing CEE vs. DCE debate (note: there both are proprietary...  DCB is the IEEE standard))</p>
<p>3) It is 'yet another' tagging format.  If you trust that MAC addresses will not change dynamically the same problem-set could have been solved by binding network policy to the MAC address of a host.</p>
<p>Was VN-Tag necessary?  maybe...maybe not.   Personally, I think many of the same problems could have been solved if the MAC address was used to instantiate policy.  There is a legitimate concern that the MAC address could be spoofed, but then again so could a multi-byte tag structure too unless it has signing/authentication/etc.</p>
<p>Is it proprietary?  Yes.  Although all indications are Cisco and VMWare are working to shape an industry 'de jure' standard and are trying to gain a time to market advantage over merchant silicon based players. (I would argue that innovation should be rewarded so a time to market advantage in silicon is not out of the question and probably shouldn't be demonized).</p>
<p>Is it well implemented?  Here is the rub of the whole thing.  Implemented broadly this is a promising capability for a network to have.  VM's are, after all, the building block of many leading edge new data centers.  However, VN-Tagging does not seem to be broadly embraced across the portfolio of products in the data center.  At least I can see no indications of shipping products or announcements of how this capability is going to be brought into the security products, application networking products, routing products, rest of the Nexus line, etc.  Broadly implemented in a coordinated fashion- this would be a powerful capability.  Sporadically implemented in one or two products will lead to little impact.<br />
This will probably get flamed a bit, so am finding the nearest asbestos store...dg</p>
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		<title>Networking and Operations Focus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Gourlay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, suitably sub-titled, "things I'd like to change 3/N." When networking was in its hey-day growth phase in the mid-late 1990's through the dot-com crash of 2001 we were a nerdy group of people. We didn't have to worry about change control when the systems were not mission critical, we could use the classic "I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Again, suitably sub-titled, "things I'd like to change 3/N." </strong></p>
<div id="attachment_64" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-64" title="frustrated-man" src="http://www.douglasgourlay.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/frustrated-man-300x200.jpg" alt="the day Altiris was installed...  (client retrospective)" width="300" height="200" /><p class="wp-caption-text">the day Altiris was installed...  (client retrospective)</p></div>
<p>When networking was in its hey-day growth phase in the mid-late 1990's through the dot-com crash of 2001 we were a nerdy group of people.  We didn't have to worry about change control when the systems were not mission critical, we could use the classic "I tripped over the power cord" emergency change-control procedure.  The advanced and automated ticketing systems were not in place, there was only one enable password, and we router jocks loved the fact that we were our own masters of the universe.</p>
<p>The features developed, delivered, and sold by the networking vendors catered to us, the operators, admin, engineers, etc.  Think about them- the features we all remember and still tend to use were designed to make our jobs easier, not harder.  Features like EtherChannel, speed/duplex auto-negotiation (although for many vendors that was a big #fail), IGRP/EIGRP (turn it on, it just works, for three desktop protocols, on one process!), VTP - okay, we all remember the VTP Bomb, but the concept of auto-propagation of VLAN ID and auto-pruning of unnecessary VLANs was nice although the initial implementation was rather like a liquid-center flourless chocolate cake.</p>
<p><strong>What happened?</strong></p>
<p>Why, since 2001 and the dot-com bust have networking vendors stepped away from supporting and embracing the loyal network operators and delivering features and capabilities that make their jobs easier and simpler and instead seem to focus on things that in many cases make the job harder.  I mean, how many encapsulation types do I need?  How many differing non-interoperable segmentation mechanisms?  How many security tags/constructs/products with little integration?  How many differing UIs and code-trains?</p>
<p>I like building things that make peoples jobs easier.  It's a personal passion of mine, because they tend to get used and deployed, and heck- they make people happy!  (as I write this 'Sweet Child o' Mine' comes on the overhead speakers and I have to pause a minute during one of the most memorable guitar solos ever...)  ok, back on track... umm, where was I?</p>
<p>Oh yeah- features that make network operators lives easier?</p>
<p>One I always wanted to do was a global port profile.  Basically an object oriented port based configuration that is synced across a reasonably sized autonomous system of network devices.  Then I can make changes to the port object and have it sweep across the switches and be swiftly implemented.  All the ports map to the object, the object is the point of change.  This gets very interesting when it is integrated between physical and virtual devices so that I can have a policy that moves as I execute a P2V operation and maintains consistency regardless of where the workload runs.</p>
<p>Just a thought.  I am sure there are more...  any other things you wish your network did?  (I also wish there were native Opsware agents on my network devices... for more food for thought...)</p>
<p>dg</p>
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